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erwinastrid - Posted - 10/10/2008:  03:00:56


should I install a beard or a quarterman cone in my "sheap"regal rd40?
thanks and greetings from holland.

jwstahl - Posted - 10/10/2008:  03:40:32


Erwin,

I asked several good reso pickers this exact question before I set-up my Regal. Almost everyone told me that it doesn't matter - these are both excellent cones. I went with a Beard cone, spider, and insert, and it really improved tone and volume.

Good luck.

John

pipecarver - Posted - 10/10/2008:  03:56:58


It really depends on what kind of sound you are looking for. I currently have a converted "sheap" Johnson with a Quarterman Cone, bone nut, and new D'Addario strings. I have been shopping around lately, and noticed the Beard cones on the Gold Tone's have a much more balanced (less tinny) tonal quality, for my ears anyway. Unless I'm imagining things, the Beards also seem to project much better. I would personally rather have the Beard cone over the Quarterman. There are many other raw material factors that play into this equation, but you were specifically asking about cones.

Another point to consider: Before you invest alot of money in converting the Regal, you might consider listening to a Gold Tone, and perhaps Wechter / Scheerhorn. I believe you will see that by the time you spend your money doing some of these conversions, you could have already paid for the above mentioned Reso's. Again, it's your reso, so you go for the sound that pleases you, and compliments your style of music the most.

erwinastrid - Posted - 10/10/2008:  04:12:31


thanks for the quick answers! in a few weeks I'll let you know what my regal sounds like. (maybe I will win the goldtone drawing and sell my regal)


Edited by - erwinastrid on 10/10/2008 04:13:04

pipecarver - Posted - 10/10/2008:  05:39:52


You might enjoy seeing this youtube video showing a Regal and Scheerhorn playing the same song.

youtube.com/watch?v=giChIG_-npg

I realize these are different resos (one screened, and one f-hole), but it helps illustrate what I was saying about different tonal qualities using different materials. There's a world of possibilities when it comes to sound, even with the imported Asian models. Even though the recordings are not always very good, I enjoy watching and listening to all the different dobro videos on youtube.

Hope this helps.


Scott

jr18 - Posted - 10/16/2008:  04:14:07


Of the 2 choices I would pick the Quarterman, but I just had Tim Scheerhorn install one of his hand made, redesigned, cones and what a difference. Hands down the Scheerhorn cone is the way to go. $75.00 from Tim or Elderly Instruments.

Jimmy

MitchC - Posted - 10/16/2008:  19:37:06


Another vote for the Scheerhorn cone ! Fabulous IMHO.

erwinastrid - Posted - 11/02/2008:  05:44:00


hello everyone, I installed a new cone (beard) and spiderbridge and maple/ebony inserts. made a new nut (bone). also installed a soundwell and took out the power reflex chamber. thanks to Stew.Mac for the advice and everybody on this forum. my regal sounds a lot better. more volume. warmer sound.

Steevarino - Posted - 11/02/2008:  17:05:37


OK, I'm lost....

What is a "Power Reflex Chamber"...?

Steevarino
RedLIneResophonics.com
CumberlandAcoustic.com

erwinastrid - Posted - 11/03/2008:  03:44:09


just a piece of maple between the back and the cone. when I bought the regal it wasn't glued and gave a lot of buzz and rattles. now that I've installed the soundwell my sound is warmer and the volume is the same.
greetings from holland,
erwin

gman - Posted - 02/26/2009:  17:10:07


Is it the No14 spider that goes with the Beard BC1 cone?


Square Neck - Posted - 02/27/2009:  20:17:23


It is the Beard cone that goes with a #14 spider, not the #14 spider that goes with the cone. But yes.

I actually think a lot of the new #14 spiders are not the "real" #14 spider made by Dobro, not to sure on some of the ones I have seen.

My vote is for a Quarterman cone FWIW

Old Blue - Posted - 02/28/2009:  19:36:49


quote:
Originally posted by erwinastrid

just a piece of maple between the back and the cone. when I bought the regal it wasn't glued and gave a lot of buzz and rattles. now that I've installed the soundwell my sound is warmer and the volume is the same.
greetings from holland,
erwin




Is this what you are talking about??


gman - Posted - 03/01/2009:  09:19:27


If someoe tells me how I'll post pics of the powerflex chamber on my Regal RD40.....

Steevarino - Posted - 03/01/2009:  16:29:10


Nope, that is not the elusive PRC (Power Reflex Chamber). That is a wooden spacer block that is put between the end of the neck stick and that arc shaped block that is glued to the back. First they fit the neck to the body, then they figured out how thick this block needed to be. Sometimes it was a tapered affair.

They don't do it that way anymore, at least not the U.S. built ones. Don't know about the Chinese ones they are selling today, as I haven't been in one of those yet.

Sorry, can't help you on posting a picture, gman. I can't figure it out either!

Steevarino
RedLIneResophonics.com
CumberlandAcoustic.com

Old Blue - Posted - 03/01/2009:  17:25:44


gman: I use Tinypic..Its free. It'll ask you to select a picture from wherever you have them stored (I store my 'current' ones to Desktop in Windows).
Once you select your picture and download it (click a button), you'll get a screen with about five different URL codes, select the one labeled 'forums" (its the second or third, click it, and when it turns blue, right click "copy".Now when you come over to the forum (or any forum), just right click "paste" where you want it to appear in a message, and the next time you see that post, your picture will be there! If you (or Steve) has any problem at any step, just PM me, and I'll walk you through it!

gman - Posted - 03/02/2009:  10:12:04


Testing Regal Powerflex baffle.IMG]i42.tinypic.com/f1ebtu.jpg


Preston Thompson - Posted - 03/03/2009:  05:35:15


What I would like to know, is how do you get a sound well into a built reso. I can't figure that one out.

pt

Play it again, Sam. Over, and over, and over:

Slideman1939 - Posted - 03/31/2009:  19:09:49


Personal opinion--although they differ slightly the BEST cones are quarterman, Beard, Scheerhorn as high end DOMESTIC made replacement cones because these spinners have studied the old history, and figured out the proper alloy.Anybody can spin a look-alike cone, from the wrong metal.Everybody has heard a "sweet" Dobro tone, with no volume (too much soft pure aluminum/not enough alloy). One UPGRADES a foreign cone because they didn't use the right alloy to get the right tone. This has been discussed for 82 years. In 1927 John Dopyera (later years interview) admits he spun copper, brass, various aluminum alloys in experimenting.The quarterman cone "formula" was available from mid- to late 1970's--but didn't catch on big at first. WHY. It was being compared to the standard O.M.I. dobro cone of the 70's- 80's---either spun or stamped. LATER came the "import" reso's---and AFTER 1986 the Quarterman cone ( or ANY better replacement cone) became the seller---because NOW we had lots of inexpensive imports with bad cones--where owner's needed to upgrade out of necessity. It reminds me of a guy that upgrades and hops up a "tuner" performance engine into a Toyota or Honda for a lot of upgrade money and us old guys observe and wonder WHY they didn't start out with a good used Cadillac ( pre=owned Beard or Scheerhorn) IN THE FIRST PLACE instead of having to learn about REPLACEMENT CONES.

axeslingincowboy - Posted - 04/01/2009:  21:24:27


well my reason for starting out with a "honda" opposed to a "cadillac" was I didnt know how to hit a lick on the thing, now that I've practiced up on a beater I can now justify getting a nicer dobro. In my case a curly maple mastereso i payed for today!

Dobro playin'' mofo.

normemail - Posted - 07/24/2009:  08:50:42


quote:
Originally posted by Old Blue

quote:
Originally posted by erwinastrid

just a piece of maple between the back and the cone. when I bought the regal it wasn't glued and gave a lot of buzz and rattles. now that I've installed the soundwell my sound is warmer and the volume is the same.
greetings from holland,
erwin




Is this what you are talking about??






ddewolfe - Posted - 11/27/2010:  13:36:44


I'm a newbie. An absolute beginner. I bought a Regal Rd-40VS about a week ago 2 ago and really like the tone. I listened to the video and I can't tell which one is better.
What's the right answer?

--Dave


quote:
Originally posted by pipecarver

You might enjoy seeing this youtube video showing a Regal and Scheerhorn playing the same song.

youtube.com/watch?v=giChIG_-npg

I realize these are different resos (one screened, and one f-hole), but it helps illustrate what I was saying about different tonal qualities using different materials. There's a world of possibilities when it comes to sound, even with the imported Asian models. Even though the recordings are not always very good, I enjoy watching and listening to all the different dobro videos on youtube.

Hope this helps.


Scott

John Gribble - Posted - 11/27/2010:  18:11:12


I wonder why National cones aren't more popular or part of this discussion. They do make them for spider resos, you know, and Don was shop foreman at Dobro.



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