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drmcclainphd - Posted - 11/27/2015:  06:26:23


I do a lot of parody and satire type songs (think Weird Al Yankovic). These are considered protected and allowable "Fair Use" exceptions under the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. § 107. I'm well versed in the applicable laws, having served as material and expert witness in a federal circuit court case regarding online piracy (Harlan Ellison v Remarq, AOL and others), as well as helping the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America organize a permanent administrative discussion group on the topic. But no matter how well I know and follow the laws, I'm a user here, not an admin or moderator. I've been one elsewhere and respect the job enough that I'd always follow the decisions of those tasked with making them, and never challenge those decisions (though I would participate in such a discussion if invited). So before I post such material I'd like to ask if it might be allowed, or if it is preferred that I not do so. Some other sites have allowed it, others have chosen to avoid the possibility of controversy. I understand the reasons behind both. So if I may, is there a policy in place, and if not, may I respectfully request guidance on this?



If you're not sure what I'm talking about, here's a written example fragment. It's a parody subtype called a filk song about a previous client, who served as technical advisor for the TV show referenced. I think most will recognize the copyrighted source being parodied from the last line.



In the deep, dark space around Epsilon Eridani

was a place they called Babylon 5.

Twas there I read on a Downbelow bulkhead

"You will never take Harlan alive."



 


michaelmx - Posted - 11/27/2015:  08:50:25


I believe that Eric can give the definitive answer here.  In the meantime, when you post an MP3, which you have already done, you see this message:




  • Copyright Notice:

  • You are allowed to post recordings of yourself performing:

  • - public-domain (non-copyrighted) songs

  • - original songs written by yourself

  • - songs written by someone else and licensed through ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC

  •  

  • Anything posted in violation of this notice may be removed by the webmaster without prior notice, and may result in your myHangout account being locked. Read complete copyright policy.



You can follow the link above to the Complete Copyright Policy.  Basically it says that the site admin will follow the DMCA guidelines in evaluating infringement complaints. 



As you say, parody and satire are protected and have been for a long time.  The above statement suggests that the site is paying a fee for a mechanical license to host copyrighted material.  It seems to me, that between the two, posting most anything should be fine. 



/* start soapbox */ Copyright in the digital millennium is a whole new ballgame compared with anything in the past and the DMCA is solely lacking in addressing it.   The Big Boys may never come to grips with the idea that it no longer costs anything to copy something and it is time to move on.  Right now, they are trying to hold on to their past powers with artificial scarcity.  /* end soapbox */



HTH.  Post Away.  cool



 


drmcclainphd - Posted - 11/27/2015:  16:49:37


I saw from the wording of the full description that it seemed favorable to such fair use material, but I belong to another that has a very similar policy but chooses to avoid controversy but discouraging any activity that might be questioned, even though it could be answered favorably. But, the policy of "my paper, my policy" is always to be honored IMO. (Said policy is often called the editorial policy even though the editor has nothing to do with it -- the owner/publisher does). I'd prefer to stay within the realm of comfort of my hosts



Actually the concepts of parody and satire as fair use are protected. Any given use can be called into question. Parody, making fun of the source itself, is far easier to get considered fair use. Satire, using a source to make fun of something else, is more difficult. A great deal of questioned works fall somewhere in between. There are four conditions which are to be considered in any case, and I try to make sure any of my attempts at these are covered.



I was once asked to offer an opinion on a case involving the use of "We'll Meet Again" (most would know it from the end of Dr. Strangelove), still used in a similar sense but in a more overt manner. The last words of the chorus were "Klaatu barada nikto". One of the conditions was whether the acquired use would impact any present or future income of the original. I got to make the point that if it did have any effect, it would be to remind people of the original, and as all advertisers know, the more reps the more reputation, so the effect would probably be to increase any such outcome. I also got to make the point that any legal action of this sort that implies there would be an economic influence but refuses to take into account that such influence could go either way indicates either lack of understanding of the laws, or if they were understood, purposeful neglect of selected aspects, which constitutes barratry. With deer, it's headlights. With attorneys, it's the barest whiff of the possibility of a valid accusation of barratry. My client (the defense attorney) said that had he not already won, that would have done it. Word to the wise.



To be fair to those who bring such actions, the law requires that they do so against any significant or potentially significant infringement, or lose the protection of the copyright law against a greater infringement later. This makes some accusations more understandable. The DMCA provides a means for those to be handled in a way that does not bog down the court, and does not result in the erstwhile infringer being officially charged. This is a generally good thing all around, although it does open a door for automated machine gun style accusations via DMCA notices. The greatest sufferers of such activity are the DMCA contacts that (in the US at least) are required to register with the Library of Congress.



Apparently tired of handling the monumental backlog of DMCA notices both reasonable and machine gun overload, AOL changed their contact notification address but neglected to change their listing at LoC. To their bad luck they did so just as Harlan Ellison's attorney began attempting to file valid DMCA notices. For those not familiar with the public history of SF author Harlan Ellison, it would not be unkind to state that his personal stance on any given subject he chooses to take note of can best be described as "full tilt rant". To have his attorney attempt to do things the calm and quiet way and be ignored most definitely set him off. Still, he was willing to let AOL off easy and settle out of court. But AOL tried to drag their feet and deny any wrong doing, calling in the admins who ran the servers that carried usenet, where the infringing material was located. After providing proof that their admins did not, by their own testimony, did not understand how their Typhoon servers worked, I iced the cake by providing a copy of an AOL web page in which they gladly heaped congratulations upon themselves for funding the development of WinAmp. It was difficult for them to continue trying to appear as simply misunderstood, and completely supporting anti-piracy, when suddenly having to explain how they paid money for the development of what was then the #1 program for ripping CDs and burning copies. They suddenly settled out of court. I like to think they did so before Harlan could stop laughing and set the wheels in motion to own a piece if not the entirety of AOL.



As an aside, the action described above did not involve Dame Vera Lynn, who had made the song famous in her 1939 recording. At age 98, she is the oldest working musical talent in the world, with 91 years experience. If her health continues in her favor, she shows every possibility of lasting another 18 months and besting the longetivity of George Burns, and taking over the #1 spot. She already holds the records for oldest person to achieve a #1 (UK charts, beating out Arctic Monkeys and the Beatles that week) for We'll Meet Again: The Very Best of Vera Lynn, and a gold record for that same album, within 3 weeks of its release. I was told she was apprised of the case but chose to ignore it. With a career like hers, I'd assume she would have no interest in being bothered by the silly things the youngsters do.


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