72Chevy - Posted - 10/23/2008:  18:42:53

Hi everyone, I have either developed or just noticed a slight buzz on the first string that is barely there but I can hear it as the string rings out. It's there on both the open and barred note. I can not tell where it's coming from. It's a Wechter 6510R I purchased from Janet Davis. Any ideas what I can check with this model? I'm using ej42's.

thanks,

Tommy

phil dean - Posted - 10/23/2008:  19:35:18

I believe that guitar comes equipped with a.017 at that position,now I could be mistaken,but, believe that to be true. If so , and you are using j42s,then the string at that position is .016, and could be causing the buzz.

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72Chevy - Posted - 10/23/2008:  20:14:43

Thanks Phil. I think you are correct. I wondered your point as well. I noticed the slot in the saddle looks a bit "big" for the string that's in there. I did change the strings since I got it too and I really didn't notice it with the original set on the guitar. I did loosen and reposition the string in the saddle and that seemed to help a tad. I'll change them out with a different set and see. I also found another similar thread on here that had alot of great info too. I'll try the string change before I rip this thing down...you know us banjo players, can't leave anything alone :-)This is a great site.

72Chevy - Posted - 10/23/2008:  20:24:58

Phil, I just took a look-see at your site just now. Great work, very nice guitars!!

dobrojockey - Posted - 10/27/2008:  18:59:40

I too have noticed a "BUZZ" on my Wechter. However, mine is on the third(G) string. I have always used EXP42's and haven't had this issue 'til recently. Tried many different strings and gauges. All seat well in the bridge??? Driving me insane! I had this problem with an old Gibson dobro and it wound up being a crack in the spider.... GOD I HOPE IT'S NOT THAT AGAIN!


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Edited by - dobrojockey on 10/27/2008 19:00:03

dobrojockey - Posted - 10/30/2008:  20:54:29

BTW any ideas?


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El Dobro - Posted - 11/01/2008:  17:29:47

If you don't want to take the guitar apart, when you change strings, use the old G string as a saw and pull it lightly back and forth through the string slot with slightly more pressure on the tailpiece end. Sometimes that helps the string seat in the slot better and get rid of a buzz.

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dobrojockey - Posted - 11/02/2008:  17:59:43

Sweet! Never crossed my mind to do that! Thanks El Dobro!


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axeslingincowboy - Posted - 02/11/2009:  08:01:55

I'm having the same problem with my G string on my W/s 6510f as well, It's probably because the ghs scheerhorn strings have a 28 guage and the ej42's have a 26, I'm about to order a couple sets of the scheerhorn strings to see if it makes a difference.

Dobro playin'' mofo.

jmb3450 - Posted - 02/11/2009:  10:52:26

I've been sometimes getting some first string buzz on my Gold Tone PBSM. Played open it's fine, but with the slide around the 5th fret there can be a noticable buzz. It does it on all my slides even when pressed down hard, so it's not just my sloppy technique. I took off the tailpiece and fitted some duct tape underneath it to eliminate any possibility of it being vibration between the tailpiece and the cover. Quite an annoying sound. As soon as the strings I ordered come in I'll change them, hopefully that'll do it. I just find it strange that it doesn't buzz played open.

Jim

phil dean - Posted - 02/11/2009:  13:13:27

Check the angle on the tailpiece. Ii might be off slightly.

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Dan Brooks - Posted - 02/11/2009:  16:12:24

Jim,

Sounds like a string slot problem at the saddle. Any string buzzes that continue on BARRED strings are a dead giveaway. By barring (or noting) a string you have essentially taken anything BEHIND the bar (nut, tuners, etc.) out of the equation. I'd make the saddle slot my first line of attack.

Dan Brooks
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jmb3450 - Posted - 02/12/2009:  04:30:52

Dan, I'll check out the saddle - I'd thought about that. I want to be careful with what I do so I don't change the height of the string in relation to the others. Would the correct thing to do be to make sure the string is seated all the way in the slot and deepen the slot slightly on the tailpeice side if necessary? Also, checking the angle of the tailpiece was mentioned. How would I determine the correct angle? Thanks for the help.

Jim

jaykellogg - Posted - 02/12/2009:  05:01:25

Hold the guitar with the tailpiece close to your eye and the neck away. Sight down strings three and four. The strings should be essentially straight from the tailpiece to the nut. As someone mentioned above, the tailpiece should be padded between the tailpiece and the coverplate. A thin strip of leather works great for this.

W. Jay Kellogg

Dan Brooks - Posted - 02/13/2009:  02:05:17

Jim,

You can add a few thousandths of depth and width at the saddles without causing any issues of relative string heights/playability.

I have an article on setup at this link -

stewmac.com/freeinfo/instrumen...etup.html

- check it out and see if it helps. Hope it works for you.


Dan Brooks
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jmb3450 - Posted - 02/13/2009:  04:32:43

Ok...I might have an issue with my Gold Tone. First of all I purchased it used, from a guy who bought it from the Beard shop last April. It was shipped to me in the case. As soon as I received it I went to change the strings and I couldn't get the low G string out of the saddle. The resonator cover over the bass side of the saddle was almost touching the saddle, so close that I couldn't remove the string from the slot. I discovered that the part of the cover over the saddle was bent in on the bass side - evidently the guitar received a blow to that area during shipment, or something happened with the previous owner that caused this. No real problem I thought - I removed the cover, braced that portion on some pieces of wood and carefully tapped the dent out of the cover. That seemed to fix the problem, the cover now looked normal when installed and was parallel to the top of the saddle all the way across.

Last night as I was changing strings I looked down the neck from the headstock to check the tailpiece angle. What I discovered is that top of the saddle is not even with the top of the nut all the way across. The bass side of the saddle is lower than the treble side. Now I'm wondering if whatever happened to dent the resonator cover also did something to the spider or cone, pushing it down on the bass side. After putting on new strings last night I'm still getting a slight buzz on the treble strings, not open, but most noticable when barred around the 5 to 7 fret area- actually it's more of a fuzziness to the note if that makes any sense.

So, I'm wondering first of all if I have a problem with the saddle, cone, or spider. Shouldn't the saddle and nut both be on the same plane, parallel to each other? Do I need to take the cone and spider out to inpsect it? I hate to mess with the setup since it was done at the Beard shop, but at the same time it would seem I need to do something to fix this issue. I did try tightening the tension screw on the cone some but that made no difference so I loosened it back to the previous position. Any suggestions here from the experts? Thanks a lot, I really appreciat the advice!

Jim

jaykellogg - Posted - 02/13/2009:  05:13:59

I would measure from the string to the fretboard. That measurement should be the same on both sides. Also, lay a straightedge across the strings to verify that they are flat all the way across. If they are not, the guitar will need to come apart. I marked mine with a sharpie so it went back together the way it came apart. If you look through the coverplate on mine now you will see an "N" on the leg of the spiderbridge (for neck) and two lines on the cone to align the spiderbridge and the cone.

W. Jay Kellogg

jmb3450 - Posted - 02/13/2009:  05:51:07

Dan, that's a great article on setup, thanks!

Jim

Old Blue - Posted - 02/15/2009:  19:50:41

...in particular, Jim.."On slide guitars, the tops of the strings must all be the same height, so the bar makes equal contact with all strings. Uneven string height will cause strings to rattle or buzz against the slide."...

Tom Jr. - Posted - 02/18/2009:  10:30:11

If your reso got hit hard enough to dent the coverplate there could be some delicate damage inside. I read about Phil Leadbetter getting started on the dobro and the first thing that happened to him was that he dropped the dobro down the steps. It sounded like junk and he almost didn't play it anymore. What had happened was the cone had collapsed. Cones are pretty thin and under tension all the time. Did you ever watch somebody stand on a soft drink can and have somebody else flick it and it completely collapses? You may have a flattened soft drink can under the hood.

Don''t squat with your spurs on.