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Dec 13, 2019 - 1:29:40 PM
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910 posts since 6/13/2012

Does anyone know if Josh Graves used a capo while working for Flat and Scruggs ?
How often do you use one ?
Do you find it difficult transposing to another key when using a capo?
Let's hear from you out there !!

Dec 13, 2019 - 2:59:42 PM
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136 posts since 10/3/2008

Don't know about Josh Graves but I use a capo for every key except G (GBDGBD tuning). However, sometimes I don't use a capo for Bb. And it depends upon the song or the singers voice as to whether I use a capo for the key of C.

I don't have any issues transposing to other keys using a capo. I just know where the notes are that I need.

Dec 13, 2019 - 3:40:33 PM
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GaryL

USA

1 posts since 2/28/2019

Not sure about Josh Graves but I just wanted to say that I recently bought a Beard, Jerry Douglas model. I love the sound of the guitar. The right capo really makes a difference, however. I opted for a Charlie’s slide pro after researching and watching Tory Brenningmeyer’ s demonstration. The slide pro maintains the string resonance with a clear sound.

i would imagine Beard makes a good capo, too. Just thought I would add that as a consideration for any one  considering it.

Dec 13, 2019 - 10:30:43 PM
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2BUCKS

USA

140 posts since 4/27/2015

Josh mentions using a capo with Flat & Scruggs in Josh's book "Bluegrass Bluesman". At one time, he decided not to use it and Scruggs told him " It sounds better with the capo ". Can't remember the song they were talking about. He talked about a really crude capo. Like a pencil with a rubber band or something. I'll read the book again and .............

Good book Tom, check it out.

Edited by - 2BUCKS on 12/13/2019 22:33:41

Dec 13, 2019 - 10:41:51 PM
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2BUCKS

USA

140 posts since 4/27/2015

quote:
Originally posted by resotom

Does anyone know if Josh Graves used a capo while working for Flat and Scruggs ?
How often do you use one ?
Do you find it difficult transposing to another key when using a capo?
Let's hear from you out there !!


Hey Brother, If you haven't read "Bluegrass Bluesman" and if you'd like to, send me a PM and I'll send you my copy. It's worth the the time for sure . One of my favorite Bio's. I use a Charlies capo for fiddle tunes but don't really like'em.

Edited by - 2BUCKS on 12/13/2019 22:43:01

Dec 14, 2019 - 4:11:32 AM
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17 posts since 3/11/2016

I have Charlie’s capo and for some reason I play better with it. Much clearer and sharper notes.

Dec 14, 2019 - 4:12:27 AM

2038 posts since 8/5/2008

I believe he started out with a bottle opener.

Dec 14, 2019 - 8:07:43 AM

2BUCKS

USA

140 posts since 4/27/2015

quote:
Originally posted by 2BUCKS

Josh mentions using a capo with Flat & Scruggs in Josh's book "Bluegrass Bluesman". At one time, he decided not to use it and Scruggs told him " It sounds better with the capo ". Can't remember the song they were talking about. He talked about a really crude capo. Like a pencil with a rubber band or something. I'll read the book again and .............

Good book Tom, check it out.


OK, I couldn't find the above info in Bluegrass Bluesman but here's what Josh did say about capo's in his book.

"I think it kills the true sound of the Dobro. I very seldom use a capo. Just maybe when I go out with Jimmy Martin or I'm recording and want to play a roll on open strings. Flatt would turn over in his grave had he any way of knowing I was using a capo on that guitar. But I do use it once in a while. Kenny Baker plays a lot in B-flat; you can't play those fiddle tunes if you're just clamping down chords. But I don't like the capo."

There you have it.

Dec 14, 2019 - 8:22:23 AM

resotom

USA

910 posts since 6/13/2012

Many thanks Steve for that info. I play in open G all the time and don't use a capo. My singer sings in all keys and I have gotten used to playing them as well. Exploring the fret board all these years ( 63) in playing has me attuned to what is available and where ...

Dec 14, 2019 - 8:48:07 AM

203 posts since 11/28/2012

In a bluegrass context, I do understand the appeal of a capo for achieving "those licks" in various keys. Sometimes that is what you, the band, and/or the audience want in the song arrangement, ie, the classic dobro thing. Some of the greatest players on earth do it. The downside for some (not all...), is it can get repetitive, and you may miss some cool variation or runs that may come to light in other/oddball keys.

Personally I rarely use one, and for niche type things only. But it does take some work to get familiar with scales, notes, and patterns up and down the neck in other keys. Practicing open positon scale runs in various keys, and understanding triad mechanics and patterns helps open up tons of possibilities. I'm not there yet, but it is beginning to take hold, and it feels liberating.

Admittedly, I'm not primarily a bluegrass player, and burning speed is not my main thing. If it were, I might lean on a capo a bit more, as an efficient way to move from key to key.

Related to the above, this is helping me a lot in understanding notes up and down the fret board. Best $25 I've spent musically in some time...

bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewto...?t=351694

Dec 18, 2019 - 1:28:57 PM

144 posts since 1/6/2015

After a lot of experimentation, I'm currently playing:

G, D, and C without a capo. (Generally, I grumble quite a bit when I play in C.)
G# through B with a capo using the G scale.
Eb through F# with a capo and the D scale.

I don't capo above the 4th fret. It sounds too thin up there. This approach gives me hammer-ons and pull-offs galore, plus the I or IV chord is always waiting for me at the bottom. YMMV of course.

Dec 18, 2019 - 4:34:55 PM

128 posts since 8/6/2008

I don't normally use one. [ but JERRY DOUGLAS does, I've seen him live- so it's OK] Not using one opens up a lot of options. You don't get stuck playing every song with the same licks. It makes you think of whats down and up the neck you can use and what scales go with what open strings. And I've used and bought many capos [ I now have 3 different ones] --they all have quirks all their own. Steel players don't use them and they seem to be ok. But, YA, G#/Eb are tough ones.

Dec 19, 2019 - 5:47:35 AM

137 posts since 7/9/2010

Hello,

Jerry Douglas had a signature capo of his own that he used. The Flux capo was very non-intrusive. Having access to lower notes is better than always stuck having higher frequencies.

Then again, some sound mixers have filters to knock out those low frequencies. Just capo anyway. The dobro is always given a voice mic to play into.

I have the Beard, Flux, and Charlie’s capo. Charlie’s capo is the only one handed use capo. The other two are two handed.

Dec 19, 2019 - 7:51:57 AM

resotom

USA

910 posts since 6/13/2012

What is the advantage of Charlie's capo over other types such as the Leno or Beard capo?
Some players say they lose brilliance when using a capo while others swear that it is in the material the capo is made from. Will a brass capo sound different that a steel or aluminum one?
Do different types of capos re- act to different brands of strings like bronze or nickel?
Your input on this will help all reso players in determining which capo to buy.
Let's hear from you out there .

Dec 19, 2019 - 8:59:53 AM

1110 posts since 1/14/2011

quote:
Originally posted by chrisakeley

After a lot of experimentation, I'm currently playing:

G, D, and C without a capo. (Generally, I grumble quite a bit when I play in C.)
G# through B with a capo using the G scale.
Eb through F# with a capo and the D scale.


This is generally my approach as well.

quote:
Originally posted by chrisakeley

I don't capo above the 4th fret. It sounds too thin up there. 


I don't know about that...this guy sounds pretty good...

https://youtu.be/bLgJcvSC9EQ

Dec 19, 2019 - 9:06:04 AM

144 posts since 1/6/2015

quote:
Originally posted by Oboe Cadobro

I don't know about that...this guy sounds pretty good...

https://youtu.be/bLgJcvSC9EQ


oh THAT guy! He sounds pretty good all the time..

Dec 19, 2019 - 9:21:07 AM
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1110 posts since 1/14/2011

quote:
Originally posted by chrisakeley

oh THAT guy! He sounds pretty good all the time..


^^this^^

Last weekend, Mike Witcher showed me a cool way to play Old Dangerfield in A with no capo...working on it now...

Dec 19, 2019 - 12:09:43 PM

LukeF

USA

33 posts since 9/28/2019

quote:
Originally posted by resotom

What is the advantage of Charlie's capo over other types such as the Leno or Beard capo?
Some players say they lose brilliance when using a capo while others swear that it is in the material the capo is made from. Will a brass capo sound different that a steel or aluminum one?
Do different types of capos re- act to different brands of strings like bronze or nickel?
Your input on this will help all reso players in determining which capo to buy.
Let's hear from you out there .

Here's a Youtube clip comparing Charlie's and Beard capos.  I can hear a difference.  I'll let you be the judge.  
Dec 19, 2019 - 12:19:55 PM

LukeF

USA

33 posts since 9/28/2019

Forgot to send the link. Here it is: youtube.com/watch?v=E6wqWjhB9TA

Dec 19, 2019 - 1:44:27 PM

GeoBar

France

152 posts since 9/22/2008

All about the Reso capo here : http://www.sternercapo.se/Capomuseum/Special/Dobro/resophonic.htm

I thought this site didn't exist any more but it's still there.

I sent to Mr Sterner the photo of the Kyser capo that I found and bought on eBay ten years ago

Edited by - GeoBar on 12/19/2019 13:45:38

Dec 19, 2019 - 2:11:12 PM
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3045 posts since 7/27/2008

Tom entitled this thread "Capos..101.." 

Maybe it should be more like "Resohangout Capo Thread #101"

It might take an entire weekend to go back and review all the "capo threads" here. wink

So according to Dane Mike has developed a new approach to (my favorite) Monroe instrumental Old Daingerfield with no capo. 

I can't believe it's been 10 years since he and Jim Hurst played this together, it's probably my favorite version of this number by a couple of my favorite music dudes.

 

Jan 2, 2020 - 9:45:29 AM

resotom

USA

910 posts since 6/13/2012

Many thanks to everyone who posted on this topic. Yes...if you go into 'search' you will find many posts on this. Thanks to Mark Eaton for pointing this out. Because of the response on this topic, a dragged out both my Beard and Leno capos and started to explore the different notes and combination of chord structures associated with using a capo. I may consider the purchase of Charlie's Capo in the future. I find that the ease of installing a capo to be a very important factor as well as tonal quality. So my intention will be to continue to learn to use the capo especially on the first four frets of the reso. My singer sings in every key and the capo will come in very useful on those tunes which require it.

Jan 2, 2020 - 9:51:40 AM

resotom

USA

910 posts since 6/13/2012

According to the book 'Bluegrass Bluesman by Fred Bartenstein, a Josh Graves memoir, which I received from a fellow Reso Hangout member, Steve Winters, a very informative read to say the least, Josh sometimes used a very rudimentary capo that he made himself way back in the day. Many thanks Steve for sending me this book !!

Jan 2, 2020 - 12:07:24 PM
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Dobro66S

Canada

358 posts since 10/30/2012

Josh can be seen using a capo
On one of his instructional video.s that's out on YouTube.
Cant remember off hand which tune?
But it looks like a Leno style

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