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Jan 18, 2020 - 7:09:48 AM
293 posts since 9/9/2016

I just aquired for very reasonable $ , a Crestwood Squareneck .

At first glance the neck was thinner than typical square neck . Subsequent measuring show that near the nut , the neck was 7/8 inch , rather than the more typical 1 1/8 in . The nut was not original , the replacement was too wide to fit in the slot , at an angle , and has a converter on top . Also unusual , there is a strap button on front bout , in position typical for vertical guitar players , and the attatched strap is only usable in vertical position . What was previous owner doing/ thinking ?

But no rattling or buzzing , and tone is " average for import " .

But trying to find any history on this is not providing an quick answers . I mainly find Epiphone Crestwood solid electrics , decent Japanese accoustics from '70s , and current ebay type mandos . I did find an image from apparently '80s from a dealer that also featured recognizable brands assocated with Cort at the time .

Any clues to the backstory on my new to me cheap reso ?

Jan 18, 2020 - 8:36:30 AM

194 posts since 9/24/2014

How bout some pic's? I had a Crestwood Les Paul knockoff that was pretty nice, it was Japanese and from the '70s. That is the only Crestwood I've ever seen.

Jan 18, 2020 - 10:11:24 AM

293 posts since 9/9/2016

I'm too computer illiterate to put pictures on the internet . I have to get the daughter ( who also plays Reso ) to join here , and have her post them .

Jan 18, 2020 - 11:57 AM

293 posts since 9/9/2016

Some pics




Jan 18, 2020 - 12:03:19 PM
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293 posts since 9/9/2016

More pics




 

Jan 18, 2020 - 12:20:50 PM

293 posts since 9/9/2016

The Biggfootette was able to sort of help me out , with the assistance of another friend . I couldn't attempt to repeat by myself .

In the right hand pic in post #4 , note the strange nut arrangement .

In post #5 , you probably can't tell with the lighting , the back has a slight bowel , instead of being flat .


As I picked it up in the store , the tuning as is implied a GDBGDB , 1/2 step tuned down , but that would be within the margin of error w/ temperature variations .

I still can't concieve why the previous owner would had a vetical style strap in combination with 135135 tuning and a squareneck ? One opinion was profered that they were playing bottleneck slide despite the square neck . But that is still a headscratcher .

( Photos take @ the daughter's music store , which is Not where this instrument came from . If it had , the owner could have told me the entire corporate history , the previous owner, and all of their family members and former bandmates , what type of music each played .. And charged me full retail price .)

Jan 18, 2020 - 1:19:46 PM

938 posts since 2/2/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Biggfoot44

 

In the right hand pic in post #4 , note the strange nut arrangement .

In post #5 , you probably can't tell with the lighting , the back has a slight bowel , instead of being flat .

As I picked it up in the store , the tuning as is implied a GDBGDB , 1/2 step tuned down , but that would be within the margin of error w/ temperature variations .

I still can't concieve why the previous owner would had a vetical style strap in combination with 135135 tuning and a squareneck ? One opinion was profered that they were playing bottleneck slide despite the square neck . But that is still a headscratcher .
 


Ok, the nut has a good old nut riser over the installed nut.  More on that in a minute

Most guitars do have a radius to the back and the top as well.  It helps both with structural integrity and sound projection (especially the backs). They are not usually flat, even though we might call them flatop guitars.  CFMartin uses something on the order of a 25 foot radius for the back of their dreadnoughts.  The tops are more like a 12-15 foot radius.  Yours looks like it was pressed into that shape, a method still used in some factories today.  I would be curious to know whether there is a soundwell inside or not with that back configuration.

And I think you have figured out the mystery of the strap button.  I'd agree with you that someone played this guitar in the Spanish/Bottleneck style at one point and installed the lower nut and strap button to help with that.  Then it went back to a squareneck setup which required the nut riser to get the strings up off the frets again.  They could have installed a real squareneck nut at that point but perhaps they could not located a dobro sized nut or blank.  Or maybe they hedged their bets on whether the bottleneck style might be preferable.

At least that's a plausible story - guitar anthropology.

Dennis

Edited by - Slidennis on 01/18/2020 13:29:07

Jan 18, 2020 - 2:37:19 PM

293 posts since 9/9/2016

It will have a proper squareneck nut in its near future . ( Near future being somewhat relative as I have 3 or 4 other minor projects on waiting list . Alas , I have very busy work schedule , and on my rare windows , my playing and guitar wrenching buddy was tied up .
But once my new nut arrives , it will go to top of list )

I actually played this for a while today at local Jam , as- is . The low string height actually tripped me up a little . The tone was within expected parameters , but can't accurately judge until putting on fresh strings of known flavor . It came with a free set of EJ-42 thrown in , but haven't switched yet . ( Come home , go to bed , wake , go to Jam .)

 

  Added - Yes , when replacing nut , will disassemble , and take pics of interior .

Edited by - Biggfoot44 on 01/18/2020 14:38:48

Jan 18, 2020 - 2:55:44 PM

2045 posts since 8/5/2008

It looks like someone bought up a warehouse full of Spanish style guitars, and converted them to Resonator axes. ( Note the odd position of the resonator assy.) It had to match up with the existing scale length.

Jan 18, 2020 - 3:09:30 PM

293 posts since 9/9/2016

It is definitely Not a normal round neck , so probably not a simple conversion of a completed dreadnaught .

But I can certainly see a mfg trying to minimize inventory by using same back and sides , maybe top pulled midway along the line before cutting the soundhole .


On the subject of Backs ... My import metal body round neck had a bowling , but all the squarenecks I've owned or fondled have had flat backs as far as I remember .

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Not really related to this thread , but friday evening , I also had the opportunity to test drive an apparently pre-war , slot head Model 37 .

It sounded great , but was both priced too high for condition , and far enough beyond my budget to not even bother to negotiate .

Jan 18, 2020 - 3:26:34 PM

938 posts since 2/2/2011

quote:
Originally posted by otdobro

It looks like someone bought up a warehouse full of Spanish style guitars, and converted them to Resonator axes. ( Note the odd position of the resonator assy.) It had to match up with the existing scale length.


Well the whole resonator assembly is surely shifted forward compared to what we are used to seeing. That seems to be an artifact of the 14th fret neck/body joint. This is probably the Crestwood factory deciding to make a reso basing it on an existing dreadnought design and not a 12 fret parlor guitar. I do recall Crestwood dreadnoughts back in the day (late 60's early 70's maybe).

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