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Nov 29, 2020 - 4:30:42 AM
118 posts since 1/7/2019

I am playing in a new setting that requires amplification. I will not be playing bluegrass/country for this situation. It is a contemporary church setting.
My guitar has the Fishman Nashville pickup and I am using the JD Aura pedal.
I want to add effects to the overall sound, but I am new to all of this. I have found a good Black Friday sale on individual effects pedals at a local store. However, the store also had an older Boss ME-70 multi-effects pedal board at a very reasonable cost.
My question is, have any of you used this kind of product? What benefit or drawback did you experience with it.
I will be taking my guitar to the store today to test drive a few of the pedals.

Edited by - toddborger on 11/29/2020 04:31:11

Nov 29, 2020 - 4:49:18 AM

490 posts since 11/9/2008

Hey Todd,

I think by taking your guitar to test them out will answer your questions and is the best way to find out. I did the same thing with my lap steel several years ago. I wanted to add some more options to my sound and took it along to my local Guitar Center. This was before I had a Fishman equipped reso and an Aura pedal, but thankfully, some of the pedals I have acquired over the years work well with my reso.

I don’t really see any drawbacks to adding options to your sound, especially since you are trying them out first. If I can make some recommendations, delay and reverb pedals work great for fattening/sweetening up the sound of your guitar in a room. It’s up to you to find the perfect settings for any pedal you choose. I think the venue will really dictate that.

I hope this helps a little. Good luck!

Edited by - SlimPickins on 11/29/2020 04:50:00

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:05:40 AM

118 posts since 1/7/2019

Thanks Brent. I think you are right that my own ear will be the best advice-giver. The particular product I am intrigued by, but just don't know if it "fits" with what I am doing is the Boss pedal board. All of the (now-dated) demos that I have found online are very electric-guitar oriented. Will it be a good fit for my reso? I hope my question is making sense.

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:09:37 AM

490 posts since 11/9/2008

Your question makes perfect sense. I don’t have any experience with that particular multi-effects pedal and can’t give you a definite answer. It really comes back to your ear. You are in the best position for purchasing gear as you get to try it out in person on your own guitar. Worst comes to worst, you try out the Boss and you don’t like it, you don’t leave with it. Either way, you’ve got a fun time ahead trying them out.

Nov 29, 2020 - 8:33:02 AM
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316 posts since 11/28/2012

I think the answer depends on how much self control you have...lol. There are so many sonic effects on that pedal that realistically you won’t use them unless you are straying way out there in experimental music space...flangers, 10 overdrive options, 6 amp sims, wah wah, loopers, etc., etc.

If you double on lap steel, this could be appealing.

That said, I’ve used Boss delay, reverb, compression, and tuner pedals. They all get the job done on Dobro. If you can get the multi-FX pedal for a couple hundred bucks, having these same options all-in-one could make sense. Just watch you don’t fall down the effects rabbit hole...I’ve been there, ha.

Nov 29, 2020 - 3:36:52 PM
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118 posts since 1/7/2019

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Originally posted by UncleJack

I think the answer depends on how much self control you have...lol. There are so many sonic effects on that pedal that realistically you won’t use them unless you are straying way out there in experimental music space...flangers, 10 overdrive options, 6 amp sims, wah wah, loopers, etc., etc.

If you double on lap steel, this could be appealing.

That said, I’ve used Boss delay, reverb, compression, and tuner pedals. They all get the job done on Dobro. If you can get the multi-FX pedal for a couple hundred bucks, having these same options all-in-one could make sense. Just watch you don’t fall down the effects rabbit hole...I’ve been there, ha.


Well guess what. The salesperson at the store said about the same thing. After we talked for a just a few minutes about what I was doing, she said that one problem people have with the multipedals is that most of it they don't use and it ends up being confusing or in the way.

My decision was made much easier by the fact that when the battery case was opened, oozing corrosion seeped out. After that was cleaned and fresh batteries inserted, we got it to turn on, but we could not make it work in the store. We both decided that if it was this much trouble with a trained technician doing the work, I had no chance at home.

In the end, I got stand alone reverb and delay pedals. I think those will serve me well for some time.

Nov 30, 2020 - 12:29:27 PM
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3395 posts since 7/27/2008

Todd, I'm glad you got what you needed. I was going to post about the Fishman TonedEQ the other day but I see you have already purchased a couple pedals.

Some might recall a couple years years ago my car was broken into at my hotel on a road trip combining business with jamming for an evening in San Jose (which happens at an old buddy's house on Thurs. and Sat.), and the scumbag cleaned out whatever was of value. Along with the my Asher lap steel, he got a music gear toolbox which along with everything else included a handful of effects pedals. Haven't gotten around to replacing the pedals. 

I haven't played at church or anywhere else outside my home since the middle of March and have no idea if and when that will happen again. When playing at church after the car break-in, I would run my dobro into the JD Aura pedal followed by a preamp with an XLR out to the mixing board. Out church has a very elaborate board, but really the only thing the sound man would add is some reverb. But in recent years I have been playing lap steel at church more than dobro. 

If things come back around  to play out again, for the sake of simplicity, I have been looking at some acoustic specific digital units. There are a bunch of them out there these days. But for $300 to $320 I have been impressed with the Fishman TonedEQ.

I saw this video for the first time about a week ago. It's Jerry demonstrating his Aura pedal and the TonedEQ. Unlike his elaborate pedal board that was featured in a long detailed video awhile back from Premier Guitar, he refers to this as his "run and gun" setup. Which is for my purposes likely more than sufficient 100% of the time. 

 

Edited by - MarkinSonoma on 11/30/2020 12:40:26

Nov 30, 2020 - 12:38:43 PM

3395 posts since 7/27/2008

I would also use the TonedEQ for plugged in acoustic guitar. This video with a guy playing a flattop highlights the features and benefits better than Jerry's video from "The Squirrel's Nest" above his garage. 

There are a bunch of longer videos out there reviewing the product, but the one below does a great job of showing what it can do in only 2 1/2 minutes. 

Nov 30, 2020 - 4:03:07 PM

118 posts since 1/7/2019

Mark,
Thanks for posting those videos. I did not about the Tonedeq, but it would have likely been a little out of the price range for right now. If I can make these work for this year, maybe I can look at a replacement next year.
Right now, I am doing what you mentioned above except I am not sure about the preamp. I am still confused on the terminology and what everything does. Our music guy at church is plugging my Aura pedal into a DI (I think?). It's a small black box that converts the 1/4 inch jack to the XLR mic cable. Is that substituting for the preamp? Is it the same thing?
I don't know what the sound guy is doing on that end, if he is adding any reverb or other effect. I'll ask at the next rehearsal.
Thanks again for finding the info. You are always a good resource.

Nov 30, 2020 - 6:00:20 PM

2074 posts since 8/3/2008

 I humbly offer up this Resobits video

which demonstrates various effects and the signal chain of a straight forward pedal board used for dobro.h
Dec 1, 2020 - 9:21:30 PM

4 posts since 10/16/2020

Since you're playing out and need amplification, this is another option. They make another version for Accoustic guitar, but I'm trading my old Vox for one of these because I want the amp modeling.
youtu.be/SUyEwIdZWlY

Dec 1, 2020 - 10:17:26 PM

104 posts since 11/24/2019

My late brother was an effects pedal junkie. He owned a couple hundred pedals when he passed away in 2011. I kept a few of them, but most of them went to a local guitar store. One thing he told me, and that I also verified via personal experience was not to overuse effects. Start with a clean sound and process with one effect until you really understand how that effect works. Then learn a second effect, and only after you understand both of them, try combining them. It's a slow process, but you learn more about what you are doing.

Dec 2, 2020 - 5:37:12 AM

118 posts since 1/7/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Three_Eyed_Willy

Start with a clean sound and process with one effect until you really understand how that effect works. Then learn a second effect, and only after you understand both of them, try combining them. It's a slow process, but you learn more about what you are doing.


T.E.W., Thanks for the advice. I have to do this out of necessity. I purchased two pedals. One is on backorder. While I wait, I have time with the first all alone.

In the meantime, and maybe to prepare for next year's Christmas present, can someone verify that the Tonedeq has the reverb and delay on the same switch so that they cannot be combined? You have to toggle between them? I am new to all this, but that doesn't seem to make sense to me. 

Dec 2, 2020 - 8:28:09 AM

1001 posts since 2/2/2011

quote:
Originally posted by toddborger

In the meantime, and maybe to prepare for next year's Christmas present, can someone verify that the Tonedeq has the reverb and delay on the same switch so that they cannot be combined? You have to toggle between them? I am new to all this, but that doesn't seem to make sense to me. 


Yes, that is correct.  Good catch! The reverb and delay share the same settings dials and on/off button on the ToneDEQ.  So you get reverb or delay but not in combination, as some multi-effects units might offer.  All multi-effects devices are the sum of many compromises.  The ToneDEQ is no exception.

I saw that as a negative when looking for an all-in-one acoustic guitar effects pedal.  Probably the only negative on my punch list. Then I ran into a bargain and bought one.  I like the ToneDEQ.  It works for all my acoustic instruments. 

In practice you might not miss the combined reverb/delay.  If you are playing rockabilly on a telecaster, you would want the two at the same time. Otherwise... maybe not.  Secondly, the resonator guitar produces a bit of reverberation on its own. It is just part of the "sound".  The Nashville pickup catches that sound and passes it along.  Add to that the fact that church sanctuaries tend to be highly reflective spaces as well.  There's a reason effects units have presets for reverb with names like "church" or "cathedral".  These are spaces with lots of natural reverberation.  So using a lot of reverb on a dobro in a church setting could get real muddy sounding real quick.  My guess is you could get along fine with one or the other, reverb or delay.   But "your mileage may vary".... 

The ToneDEQ is a good sounding, compact, all-in-one, do-it-all pedal for acoustic instruments IMO.  Beyond that reverb/delay issue, you get a DI box, a variable level boost,  a low-cut filter, an EQ section,  one-knob compressor, chorus, flanger and tremolo (but again, one at a time) in one small package.   And it plays nice with the Aura pedals. 

If you'd like more control, more presets, more tweakability, eic. then go for a pedal board with individual pedals.  And be prepared for the power management system or the weight of all the wall-warts that come with them.  

And yes, Fishman is not the only company that makes an all-in-one acoustic guitar pedal.  There are others.  They might not be better or worse, just different.

Them's some of my thoughts.

Edited by - Slidennis on 12/02/2020 08:31:33

Dec 2, 2020 - 10:42:53 AM

104 posts since 11/24/2019

I'm using a Boss MB-3 which gives me a lot of resources in a small space. If you decide to use a wah, make sure that it has a true passthrough,. This means that when you turn the wah effect off, there is no interference with the sound.

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