I searched the archives and didn't find an answer to the following or maybe I just missed it.
I have Gretsch Honey Dipper and want to install a Slimline on it with tone and vol pots. I know the pickup will not be great at reproducing the reso sound but I play at places where I need to be able to plug into a house PA and retain some control over the sound hence the tone and vol pots.
I'm thinking 500K pots but I don't know which value to use on the capacitor for the tone pot
I think the slimline measures about 8K and for 8K humbuckers on a 335 Gibson is using tone cap values of .022mf at the bridge and .015mf at the neck.
So any suggestions as to which cap value to use for the tone pot on a biscuit bridge reso with a Slimline.
As an alternative. Skip the onboard wiring and opt for external eq & volume pedals. Might be easier/more flexible to dial in your preferred sound.
.022mf cap seems pretty standard so gonna go with that.
...and if you haven't yet, check out the Krivo Reso pickup as an alternative to the Slimline...a number of us here have gotten good results with it...
Jason is happy to answer any questions you have...
Anything from .020 to .050 will do.
I will check out the Krivo pickup as well. Adjustable poles on that one seem like a good idea as the B and E could be a bit hot with Ph. Br. strings.
Ended up ordering a Slimline because the local store just got some in. Was interested in Krivo but their site says out of stock. With the way things are now a lot of places are out of stock so it was grab it while ya can particularly if it's local and therefore the shipping is just across town.
Still need to get pots and a few local music stores are out of those as well but found a local online supplier who has them; they also have a nice TR adjustment tool that I need for my Broadcaster so will get that as well.
Thought about putting a National cone in the Gretsch but the Gretsch cone has its own kinda snarl that I like and the guitar itself is nicely built for what it is.
Let us know how it goes.
On the 1-100 scale, IMO the Krivo is a lot closer to a 100 score then the Lace, as far as retaining acoustic tone.
My experience with the Lace is more in lap style playing. To me they sound maybe less than halfway between an acoustic pickup and a magnetic pickup. Pretty lap steelish. I would just use a lap steel instead of playing out somewhere with an acoustic wood body reso and a Lace.
But with a (presumably) roundneck Honeydripper for bottleneck and fretting, I don't know that the Lace stands out quite as much as when you're trying to keep a squareneck Reso plugged in but still trying to sound as acoustic as possible.
I would put the Krivo in the 75-80% area for retaining acoustic tone.
Being that they are out of stock, and if time is of the essence in your situation, then I guess Lace is the ticket.
If I weren't in any hurry, then I would send my order in to Krivo and get on the waiting list.
Edited by - MarkinSonoma on 11/30/2021 18:07:27
The one I ordered is the National Slimline which I think is made by Krivo for National but from what little I could hear on u tube the Krivo with the adjustable poles might, as suggested, be better overall for acoustic tone and the National more like the Lace Ultra Slim as its called.
The Lace and the National are said to be a little different but that might come down to personal preferance and which guitar they happen to be installed on and which amp etc.
Most of the places I play at its get up, plug in and go so not much time to refine the sound.
I know Jason was talking to National about them using the Krivo, but I didn't hear that it actually came to pass...it might have....but the National sure look just like the Lace Sensor...
The Krivo is unpotted, so the pickup "hears" the vibration of the body more than just a normal magnetic pickup...
National Looks very much like the Lace but is supposed to be a bit thinner and sound a little different.
I was wondering about using the Emerson prewired LP Jr pots, cap and jack would be an easy install but the local place is out of stock on those and it's a bit expensive for something I could just wire up myself.
The following is from the National website; so I'm guessing it's correct but these days you never know for sure .. lol
Introducing our newly designed National Slimline pickup built by Krivo®Pick-Ups.
This dual-coil humbucking thinline pickup, measuring .225” thick, is designed to be affixed to the top of a guitar at the end of the fretboard with 3M®double-stick tape (included).
This National Slimline pickup incorporates all of the best qualities of an extremely warm sounding humbucker, while still being microphonic enough to amplify the nuances of the actual resonator vibrations."
In any event, the National pickup will probably arrive tomorrow so I'll see how it goes.
National pickup arrived today and it has Krivo written on the back of it.
Taped it onto the guitar just to try it for 5 minutes. Sounds OK but not great although I didn't work with it much.
Tried it with a Katana 100 Mk2 but it sounded better through my 57 Custom Deluxe which I guess it should but I was wondering if all the tone options with the Katana software program might yield something. Need to find a resonator patch to load into the Katana ..lol
It's a compromise and I never expected it to match the acoustic sound of the guitar so not disappointed and I expect that it will do I wanted it for.
Yeah, I looked at lot of options including Fishman, K&K and Highlander etc as well as other piezo under saddles and so on. As an aside, I think Highlander might be gone now.
Anyway, you need to try them and then decide which and that isn't always an option.
I was just running this guitar with the National pickup through my mixer with headphones to try and isolate the sound. It wasn't too bad so I'm optimistc that it can be dialed in. Also tried it with the National pickup plus a Sennheiser 906 in front of the guitar to bring in some acoustic sound. Then turned on the Neumann TLM 102 vocal mic and that picked up some of the guitar as well.
Need to work on it but I think it's there and most of my songs are about cracked windshields, broken motors and busted lives so no one is expecting perfection ... lol
I can't speak directly about the Nashville biscuit bridge pickup, don't own a biscuit bridge guitar.
But I have had the Nashville spider bridge pickup in my Clinesmith squareneck for several years.
And in that category of resonator guitar, there's the Nashville at the top of the heap - then there's everything else. K & K and all the others - nothing is in the same league, particularly when using Aura technology to avoid piezo quack and get the sound dialed in.
One great aspect of the Nashville biscuit pickup is that it's a much simpler installation than the Nashville spider bridge pickup.
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