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May 31, 2022 - 8:08:58 AM
5 posts since 5/31/2022

Hello folks, first post on site.
This kit came with 5 different wood saddles:


They did not label the saddles! Not 100% on which is which.

Was wondering which type would be the loudest? This is going in a metal body Dean Chrome G.

I am also seeking a raspy banjo like tone. They also supplied a thin flexible wood gasket (wood type not sure) to go between the cone and aluminum biscuit, which I'm not going to install (raspy tone)

I have removed both the original acoustic and lipstick pickups and have installed a full size electric humbucker (Seymour Duncan) where the lipstick was located (dremels are cool). This guitar has always been very bassy when plugged in and I am looking to get more treble in the tone as well. The humbucker increased the bass even more (sigh).
I will try to apply pics. Couldn't figure out how (not tech savvy). I am posting from my android.

Any thoughts are very appreciated!!


May 31, 2022 - 8:42:28 AM

5 posts since 5/31/2022

Trying to add pic

May 31, 2022 - 11:19:49 AM

4158 posts since 7/27/2008

There will is an area below where you post that you can enter up to three photos, one at a time from your phone, at least it works fine with my iPhone - have never owned an Android.  

Edited by - MarkinSonoma on 05/31/2022 11:42:30

May 31, 2022 - 11:23:59 AM

5 posts since 5/31/2022

Thank You!

May 31, 2022 - 11:38:25 AM

5 posts since 5/31/2022

It wants a URL, I'm only used to being prompted to my gallery and clicking on the photos?

I tried converting a pic to a PDF, but can't locate said PDF in the phone?

Anyway, this is turning out to be quite complicated. I found a chart listing  Janka values for wood (hardness). My thought process would be that a harder wood would supply more of the rasping that I seek, along with a looser tension on the biscuit to cone screw. One issue I have with the Janka values is that there are multiple types in each wood family (country of origin) with vastly varying densities. I don't get the impression that National can tell me where the woods are sourced. The lady I have been talking to is nice, but isn't nearly as technically proficient as she would need to be in order to answer alot of my questions. When she talked to Jason the engineer, Jason relayed to try the Maple, but then for me to "let them know which saddle provided the best raspy tone"

Right now I am assuming that the Ebony is the hardest of the bunch and I am in the process of sanding down the bottom as the action is WAY too high. The intonation is super sharp up the neck.

Edited by - AndyPandy on 05/31/2022 11:43:18

May 31, 2022 - 11:51:36 AM

4158 posts since 7/27/2008

It's difficult to know what you're referring to with the term "raspy."  That might be out of the department of "writing about music is like dancing about architecture." wink

Is there a way to try all the inserts with the coverplate off the guitar to get a feel for each one without having to sand them down? 

May 31, 2022 - 12:14:15 PM

5 posts since 5/31/2022

I don't really have to remove the cover, just slack the strings enough to change the saddles, but that is a little time cosuming in and of itself, especially with the height difference involved and needing to sand each one down to get the action/string tension/ intonation set where it needs to be. I am going for a lower action as I don't do much slide and tend to play in standard tuning. I run electric strings on it to accommodate my electric pickup and to facilitate as much string bend as I can get away with.
Out of the box I quickly compared what I assumed were the hardest (ebony) and the softest (holly) and didn't like the Holly as well. The Holly seemed dull sounding. I want sharp treble dominant tone, more like a banjo, or what I call raspy, or producing a natural distortion. Of course when plugged in I can get overdrive even on a clean channel, but I want this acoustically as well. Like a fuzzy sort of tone.

Edited by - AndyPandy on 05/31/2022 12:16:07

Jun 1, 2022 - 8:41:03 PM

39 posts since 1/18/2018

Humbuckers tend to be on the bassy side. If you want bright, a Strat style pickup or a Tele bridge style pickup would take you in the right direction.  The Tele bridge pickup might be a little "dirtier."

A capacitor that is faulty or of the wrong value will have an adverse effect on the tone. It's been a long time since I pulled the controls on an electric guitar, but I believe that 0.022 microfarad is still the most common capacitor for electric guitars.

Bridge material will have some effect on the sound. Ebony and maple would be the first I would try.
But saddle material will have a limited effect on a guitar's tone.

An analogy: you can brighten up a violin by thinning the bridge or moving the soundpost, but you cannot radically change the instrument's general nature.

The same can said for changing a guitar saddle. It will have some effect, but it won't turn a "pillow" into a "rasp," or vice-versa.

Edited by - rcc56 on 06/01/2022 20:42:25

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