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Jun 4, 2023 - 10:45:28 AM
7 posts since 3/31/2023

As a retired, financially challenged Elderly Educator (76), I have had to be resourceful & try hard to reach any goals. I have always loved the sound of Resophonic Guitars. I owned an early steel body biscuit type Republic for awhile, & missed it after I sold it. After deciding to replace it - I found all I could afford was one of the PYLE Spider bridge models - but I wanted a biscuit bridge & considered the wooden body types - Being the least expensive. Years ago I had looked over some of the resonators made in the 1930's that were not that well built (painted Plywood Bodies, no neck truss) pretty cheap - but now pricey collectibles. This was a good lesson & caused me to look closely at the cheap modern resonators.
I happened across a couple of ROGUE reviews (there weren't many) But they spoke pretty well of the CT-44s. There was only one used specimen to be found on line at the time. It looked minty, & although costing slightly more than it did new - it was over $100 less then the least expensive Regal - about the same cost as the PYLE spider bridge outfits.
I bought it from the original owner - who rarely used it - but said it played great. It should arrive soon, looking forward to it. & have read everything out there before I bought it. But still have a few questions:
>NO longer made: what years were they made ?
>It was described by M.F. ads as "Mahogany Body & Neck" - is the body Solid Mahogany or Plywood ?
>Will another brand (same size) cone cover fit ? I'd like to have one with a screw on bridge cover (like regal).
>Like to hear about any inexpensive decent used chipboard case for sale.

Planning on playing as is - until making upgrades seems warranted. Thanks in advance for any help, Craig

Jun 4, 2023 - 12:05:44 PM
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4510 posts since 7/27/2008

Is the guitar model in the photo below the one you purchased? (This didn't work for me - will try again later).

No idea when they were made - I have paid very little attention to Rogue guitars over the years. Since it is a "house brand" of Musicians Friend I would think someone in customer service there might be your best bet to find out.

Solid mahogany? No. Guitars in this price range don't come with solid wood. 

Here is a guitar buying tip I learned a long time ago: unless a company specifically puts the word "solid" before the wood species, it almost always means  that it's laminate or plywood. Solid wood is a strong selling point, just mahogany on its own is sort of an ambiguous term - so as not to draw attention to the fact the guitar is a laminate. 

Jun 4, 2023 - 1:42:50 PM
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4510 posts since 7/27/2008

In reso guitar lingo, We refer to the “bridge cover” as the palm rest.

Are you referring to screws on either side of the palm rest that secure it to the coverplate? If so, you might have seen those on certain National guitars - I don’t recall ever seeing this feature on a biscuit bridge Regal.

It’s possible another brand of coverplate may fit on a Rogue with the same screw pattern for the top of the guitar - but this isn’t always the case, it’s not a “universal fit” kind of thing.

Is this the Rogue model you purchased?


 

Jun 4, 2023 - 6:11:52 PM

Mudrock

USA

7 posts since 3/31/2023

Thanks for that info, & YES - that's the handsome critter I just bought. I don't usually gamble - but my odds seem acceptable - given the situation. I thought the "mahogany" in the description seemed a bit optimistic. But I'm Ok with that - my other alternatives were also Ply I'm sure - as were many of the classics. I've got a lot to learn in somewhat limited time. Probably the last guitar I'll buy. I've had good luck previously making improvements as I go - sort of like buying with time payments - but without concerns of repossession. At one time I owned a nickle plated National 4 string that was to valuable for me to keep - given family responsibilities (another of lifes adventures)
Best regards, C.

Edited by - Mudrock on 06/04/2023 18:30:27

Jun 5, 2023 - 6:26:12 AM
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badger

USA

674 posts since 8/10/2008

"...probably the last guitar I'll buy" - if I had a dollar for every time I've said that! What's worse, I've actually believed it. At the time.

Jun 5, 2023 - 8:43:24 AM
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wlgiii

USA

1446 posts since 9/28/2010
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Side note- I have that very same Rogue, bought very cheap as a project guitar. After some projecting and tinkering it ended up being a decent instrument. And, putting in a National cone improved the sound greatly.

Edited by - wlgiii on 06/05/2023 08:43:56

Jun 5, 2023 - 6:49:48 PM

Mudrock

USA

7 posts since 3/31/2023

Thanks Wayne, If you have time, I'd like to hear specifically what steps you took in improving your Rogue CT-44 Triolian. What National cone & biscuit bridge do you have - I've priced the "Hot Rod kit " ? would a novice need one ? Is a "qaurterman cone" a decent improvement ? ?
The original owner said the action is a bit high. I'd like to try for both good slide & easy finger height - if that is possible.
Since you've had the cover plate off - are there visible spot welds where the palm rest is mounted ? If there is room beneath the cover perhaps I could drill out the spot welds & install threaded female pop rivets for round head Allen Screws to attach the Palm Rest. Seems like this would make bridge height adjustments much easier ??
It's due to arrive tomorrow, & is supposed to be in Near Mint condition - even with original strings - any favorites there ?
Has anyone written a book on all this info ?   I didn't think I could even afford one - very glad to hear it can be improved upon.
Eager to learn, C.

Edited by - Mudrock on 06/05/2023 18:51:59

Jun 6, 2023 - 5:20:58 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by badger

"...probably the last guitar I'll buy" - if I had a dollar for every time I've said that! What's worse, I've actually believed it. At the time.


Or "after I buy this one I can sell some of my other guitars".

Jun 6, 2023 - 5:52:17 AM

badger

USA

674 posts since 8/10/2008

Ah, yes. The wife line. Forgot about that one.
In full disclosure, missusbadger does not countenance the sale of instruments, which, unfortunately, contributes to my acquisition habits. I actually have to go behind her back when I sell something, and she's always annoyed when she finds out.

Jun 6, 2023 - 7:35:41 AM

Mudrock

USA

7 posts since 3/31/2023

Ah Yes, I've learned its always easier to be Forgiven - than getting Permission. MY statement about "last guitar purchase" - is made because I've been more driven to collect other things, & @76 - being a cancer survivor, having had a 5 way heart bypass, + a big 3 wire pacemaker - leaves me little hope (or money) for much carefree collecting. Being faced with the aspect of giving up sport motorcycling, & shooting - I like the idea of making other enjoyable noise - with less strength & mobility. Looking forward to learn a lot here - toward that goal.

Jun 6, 2023 - 10:51:56 AM
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4510 posts since 7/27/2008

Back to the guitar - and the  hot rod kit from National, I don't doubt that it would improve the guitar - but be careful to not throw too much money at this Rogue. 

A new cone on its own would be the biggest improvement. I was looking at the National site and it seems you have to buy the whole kit rather than just the cone? 

Beard (link below to Resophonic Outfitters) and Replogle produce quality biscuit bridge cones, and Mike Replogle is offering his 9.5" biscuit cone right now for 60 bucks, or $20 off the regular price. 

Quarterman would also be a good option but I don't know where to get one. Blue Note Woodworks in Oregon is a Quarterman  distributor, but he doesn't show any biscuit cones on his site.

There is a listing for Quarterman on Amazon but there were a couple of bad reviews - seems sketchy. Unless something has changed recently, John Quarterman is a one man operation in Southern California and he is in his 80's, so the clock is ticking.

https://www.resophonicoutfitters.com/product/BC-95.html

http://www.replogleresos.com/product/replogle-resonators-biscuit-cone-9-1-2-series/

Edited by - MarkinSonoma on 06/06/2023 10:57:34

Jun 6, 2023 - 5:53:48 PM
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Mudrock

USA

7 posts since 3/31/2023

Thank you for that info Mark. Today my ROGUE arrived & I'm quite impressed. I can't find anything negative to complain about. First off - it is in MINT condition, The finish on the mahogany looks a mile deep, the gleaming Nickle resonator cover is very good quality - The resonator that can be seen inside has turning marks & also the embossed swirling arches all round it just like the National Hotrod resonator - can't see if it is one or not - but identical looking. The tuners unlike similar ones have a sturdy CAST base - not a stamping like every other I've seen. Every thing about it appears high quality to me (& I've seen some quality expensive guitars) First impression is - the Rogue CT-44 Triolian's are a little known gem. Another owners review said "if offered one you should by it" I feel lucky I listened, & it was the only biscuit cone guitar I found within my reach. I saw things I didn't like on the Regals & recording Kings.
I spent what time I had today going over it. I will have more time to try it out in the next few days - thinking I may not need to throw ANY money at it to be satisfied.  Does the cone I described sound familiar ??

A happy day for me.  C

Edited by - Mudrock on 06/06/2023 18:01:05

Jun 7, 2023 - 4:13:48 PM
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4510 posts since 7/27/2008

Glad you're happy with the guitar - and that's some flowery prose about the finish looking a mile deep and the gleaming nickel resonator cover (aka coverplate).wink

No idea about the cone without seeing a photo.

Jun 8, 2023 - 1:28:39 PM

Mudrock

USA

7 posts since 3/31/2023

Hi Mark, Glad you enjoyed , wish I could write lurid best sellers - suppose I did get carried away describing my new treasure. Seems it does deserve some praise, since it's considered bottom of the barrel by some - but I'm old enough to remember being impressed by some resonators in the late 1950's on a par with Kay, Stella, & Harmony. So the ROGUE is nicer than it needs to be for a budget offering - much nicer than the ones in neighborhood music stores of my youth.
Additional observation about materials & finish:
>As a longtime woodworker the only things I ever finished in glass like high gloss were tool handles, & usually preferring satin hand rubbed goodness. On this guitar I'll give it a pass because its so flawlessly well done - it will be easy to keep clean - but may make using it more stressful keeping it unscratched.
>The Cover plate was so bright I assumed it was chrome, but when removing old fingerprints I learned it was genuine Nickle Plating - also the tail piece (Nickle isn't seen much in consumer goods today) & very pretty. It will keep better with "Renaissance Wax"coat.
>Doing more research: I've seen different descriptions of the CT-44 construction seeming very proud of "SOLID MAHOGANY". With my flashlight & dental mirror I can see the Interior surfaces are definitely unfinished Mahogany. If they are laminates they didn't need to face mahogany to the interior. IF they laminated thin sheets of mahogany running the grain in several directions, they could claim SOLID Mahogany ( stronger Actually) - as opposed to veneer. The Neck is Mahogany. The fingerboard is Rosewood, the Dots are Mother of Pearl - All Pluses.
> Unable to photograph my cone, but through the cover plate holes using a flash light - I can see turning tool marks & the swirl embossed arches every half inch or so - similar to the the looks of the National hot rod - but no national shield stamping. With luck - its a good copy... More to follow as discovered
So far - I'd be just as pleased if I paid 5 times what I did - perhaps I am a bit giddy. Hope all this may be useful info to someone else of similar means.

Edited by - Mudrock on 06/08/2023 13:32:33

Jun 9, 2023 - 11:49:08 AM

Piro39

USA

12 posts since 1/29/2017

Mudrock, I have 2 different Rogue resonator guitars, a metal bisquit bridge and a dobro spider bridge unfortunatly I don't have the wood body bisquit one, in fact I regret not buying it when MF had them. I've had these guitars for about 16 years and for the price they are fantastic after I had done work on them which includes, on the single cone, new National cone and a new bisquit and saddle. Setting up the action on the 12th fret to 6/64 from top of 12th fret to bottom of strings for my style of playing which is finger picking and slide. I installed a tusq nut, new tuners (the old ones weren't bad) and had the frets leveled. I love this guitar in fact I had a National Delphi and the Rogue sounded better after I did all the work so I sold the Delphi.
I also have been looking for a coverplate with removable palm rest and can't find one with 8 holes. There are 9 hole ones out there but I don't want to drill and tap for 9 holes. There are 2 chinese factories that make resonators, one makes 9 hole cover plates and the other makes 8 hole ones. On the dobro I put in a good spider bridge and cone and new saddles along with the other mentioned improvements. The problem with these asian made guitars is there is really no quality control and they don't set them up properly. The one you just bought might have a Continental cone in it and they are good cones and might be a little shorter in height than the National replacement cone which will affect the saddle height if you replace the cone. The bottom line is that these guitars can be made to sound very good with some work and know how.

Jun 9, 2023 - 7:45:44 PM

Mudrock

USA

7 posts since 3/31/2023

Hello Piro 39, I appreciate the encouragement - love finding thoughts in common..... I sent you a PM.
On the Biscuit Cover Plate: I imagine its palm rest is Soldered or Braised on - IF I got ambitious after deciding I needed a National cone & my Nickle plate got worn. It would be possible to get a better metal man than I - to heat it up & remove the Palm Rest.. this of course would toast the rest of the nickle plating - I'm fond of COPPER...I could have a stud braised where I wanted a hole on each side of my Palm Rest - The stud should not interfere with the cone. The palm rest could get chromed etc, & a pair of acorn nuts used on the studs. I think copper would look super with the Mahogany body.
I had thought the Rogues could be made better - before I bought it - but was blown away by the unexpected quality.
Perhaps you guessed I'm accustomed to putting sweat equity into things.
Very good to hear from you & Thanks, C.

Jun 13, 2023 - 8:56:44 AM

344 posts since 8/24/2013

Musicians Friend has my review on the square neck resonator listed number one as the most liked positive review. It’s been that way for many years. I’ve owned and set up many Rouge guitars through the years. They can be a positive introduction to the dobro world. At times they have sold for $150.00 and $200.00. I highly recommend getting the Beard dvd on dobro maintenance to guide you in working on a Rouge or any other resonator. A Rouge square neck is as good as the mod. 60 I started out on in 1976.

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