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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Wechter/Scheerhorn thoughts?


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BDC1 - Posted - 07/30/2008:  20:55:18


I heard one of these about a year ago, and it was right up there with my Beard Vintage R ( which I have since sold)

Tom Jr. - Posted - 07/31/2008:  11:36:31


I have played some Wechters in the $700 range but they have a Rob Ickes model closer to $4,000. They sound like what you pay for as far as I can tell. Played a Scheerhorn. Very nice. Got five years to wait?

Don''t squat with your spurs on.

Rzn8tor - Posted - 07/31/2008:  14:37:44


I've played one W/S, in a music store along with several other models. Ranking solely in terms of personal preference, which happens to track pretty well with price (all of these are actually quite good): Gold Tone Beard laminate; Gold Tone Beard solid mahogany; Wechter/Scheerhorn; Beard Vintage R; Beard R.

I've played two different Beard R's in the store, and they both were excellent--head and shoulders above the others.

BTW, Tim Scheerhorn has stopped taking new orders. Something to do with trying to retire.


El Dobro - Posted - 07/31/2008:  16:43:09


Tom, the Rob Ickes model usually runs around $1100 new. I've seen used ones on eBay in the $700-800 range. Excellent bang for the buck.

STELLING MAN - Posted - 08/01/2008:  06:25:28


BDC1, Good to see you posting again, I've had a S/W for about a year now. I've got a red stained all maple model which I think sounds pretty good, but I'd like to get some of the experts opinions on this guitar. I need to start working on really learning to play this thing..

STELLING MAN

BDC1 - Posted - 08/01/2008:  21:02:16


Hey Stelling man! Yeah I dont post much on the BHO, but this RHO has got me stoked.

BDC1 - Posted - 08/01/2008:  21:02:42


By the way, I regret selling my Vintage R

STELLING MAN - Posted - 08/02/2008:  06:58:55


BDC1, From what EL DOBRO has posted, the S/W might be a pretty good choice for that price range guitar..

STELLING MAN

El Dobro - Posted - 08/02/2008:  10:18:40


I know he can make a garbage can lid sound good, but here's Rob Ickes in action with the W/S RI model.
youtube.com/watch?v=Bf3wr8GDb10

MitchC - Posted - 08/02/2008:  14:05:45


I just bought a W/S Elite L-Body.... a "not-so-frugal-horn" I guess would be the correct classification ? LOL










Edited by - MitchC on 08/02/2008 15:00:05

BDC1 - Posted - 08/02/2008:  21:19:09


WOW that thing is gorgeous

LiamR - Posted - 08/03/2008:  09:33:44


I play a W/S Rob Ickes. And it's a great instrument for any price. It can hold it's own against much more expensive guitars.

talkingcommunities.com/communi...xcompany/

MitchC - Posted - 08/03/2008:  15:17:51


BDC1, which WS are you considering buying ?

Brad Bechtel - Posted - 08/04/2008:  15:06:24


I own and play the Wechter-Scheerhorn 6510F shown in my avatar photo. I like it as much as any other resonator guitar out there.

Brad's Page of Steel:
well.com/user/wellvis/steel.html


Edited by - Brad Bechtel on 08/04/2008 15:08:16

BDC1 - Posted - 08/04/2008:  15:18:36


BDC1, which WS are you considering buying ?

Im not at the moment, but I was curious what others thought about them.

hound-doger - Posted - 08/04/2008:  19:49:44


Greetings all,Interested in WS ...or equal Beard model... Can any of you comment on bass response and projection of WS Ickes model ?




Hound-doger

El Dobro - Posted - 08/05/2008:  08:12:16


The RI my friend has plays very close to the Original 'horns. Lots of response over the whole range.

dpete210 - Posted - 08/05/2008:  09:21:08


I've only heard one WS in person, but have listened to sound clips on the internet, and I almost bought a Wechter-Scheerhorn from a fellow on the banjo hangout based on hearing my friend's. I missed out on the deal because I waited too long to commit to buying it. It was Christmas eve when I decided to go for it, but I didn't want to bother the owner on Christmas, so contacted him the day after Christmas Day. He sold it on Christmas Day. But it turned out good for me because I bought a Gann curly maple. I compared it my friend's WS and while the Gann has a bit different sound I found out my Gann is a fine reso. I realized that from the first time played it, but was just surprised when I heard them together. I believe Mr. Gann helps set up the WS models, but don't quote me on that. The WS resos, in my opinion are a lot of reso for the money. Both the WS models and Gold Tone Beard models are winners, good quality for the price. I can't compare them to the higher end resos as I've never played them. I don't know if I dare because I'd probably want to get one and I'm starting to run out of room for my instrument collection.

Any day is a good day to play music, and today is a good day.

ScottRS - Posted - 08/05/2008:  17:33:05


I have the maple bodied job (the older series with f-hole) with a Schertler Basik. I like the instrument a great deal. It almost approximates that sort of Scheerhorn "honk" - and it's very loud. Its other upside is that it's a fair bit lighter than any of my other resonator guitars, making it a good choice for those loooong jobs. The pickup, by the way, isn't all that great but gets the job done when it's necessary.



Scott R. Shank
The SpareTime Bluegrass Band
Yard Dart Audio Recording Concern
sshank@tds.net


Edited by - ScottRS on 08/05/2008 17:34:40

El Dobro - Posted - 08/05/2008:  18:07:40


Mitch, does your WS Elite has the bent back like the regular 'horns?

MitchC - Posted - 08/05/2008:  19:12:14


You mean is the back arched ? Yes it is...




Here's the complete specs on it:

Tim Scheerhorn personally installed the hardware & set it up with his new cone, which he spins in his shop. The new cone has much better bass & midrange response than a Quarterman or standard Wechter cone, with no loss of treble response. It has increased volume & sustain, as well. This model also includes a #14 spider bridge & Tim’s newly designed coverplate with removable handrest, which makes adjustments much easier. Both Abe & Tim say these are by far the best Elites that have been made. It also has some perfectly bookmatched, killer Maple.

SPECS:
Finish: New Hand Stained Sunburst Finish
Top: Solid Flame Maple
Back & Sides: Solid Flame Maple
Neck: Tapered Maple With Center Stripe
Peghead: Flame Maple With MOP Inlay
Fingerboard: 12/19 Fret Ebony With Steel (not flush) Fret Markers & Dot Inlay
Binding: Ivoroid-Front, Back, & Neck
Newly Designed Scheerhorn Coverplate With Removable Handrest
Tuners: Upgraded, High Quality, Chrome Gotoh
Setup: Personally Set Up By Tim Scheerhorn
Scheerhorn Cone: Handspun By Tim Scheerhorn
Bridge: Cast Aluminum #14 Spider
Nut: Bone
Saddles: Hard Maple With Proprietary Scheerhorn Ebonix Caps
Internal Construction: Proprietary Scheerhorn Soundposts & Internal Baffle
Specifications:
Scale Length: 25”
Upper Bout: 10.8”
Waist: 9.6”
Lower Bout: 14.4”
Body Length: 19.75”
Body Depth At Headblock: 3.5”
Body Depth At Tailblock: 4”
Fingerboard Width At Nut: 1.875”
Fingerboard Width at 12th Fret: 2.25”
String Spacing At Bridge: 2.312”


All in all, this Elite sounds pretty horny...uh, horn-ish... uh, horn-esque... horn-like ? It honks just like a horn !!


Edited by - MitchC on 08/05/2008 20:54:55

El Dobro - Posted - 08/05/2008:  19:20:48


Ok, thanks. I was wondering if that feature was carried over, too.

Don
myspace.com/eldobro
myspace.com/pasttimesband
pasttimesbluegrassband.com
youtube.com/user/pasttimesbluegrass

Dobro Don - Posted - 08/06/2008:  05:56:03


quote:
Originally posted by MitchC

I just bought a W/S Elite L-Body.... a "not-so-frugal-horn" I guess would be the correct classification ? LOL




That is one gorgeous guitar! I feel a wave of reso-lust overpowering me...


Don

---
"Music creates unity among peoples, cultures and nations. Music can touch the soul making it our universal means of communication."

- Gary Stroutsos
Makoche Artist

MitchC - Posted - 08/06/2008:  17:42:34


Don,

If you just MUST yield to the lust.....

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...IT&ih=022

Better inlays than mine... bet he'd take at least a couple hundred less than listed ? Email the guy ?





Edited by - MitchC on 08/06/2008 18:14:42

El Dobro - Posted - 08/06/2008:  19:41:52


Thanks Mitch, but I've already hit my limit.



Don
myspace.com/eldobro
myspace.com/pasttimesband
pasttimesbluegrassband.com
youtube.com/user/pasttimesbluegrass

MitchC - Posted - 08/06/2008:  21:35:20


Yikes...what a herd ! I was actually adressing Dobro Don though...the guy feeling a wave of reso-lust.

You don't really need ALL of those now do ya ? SELL, SELL ! LOL

harperk31794 - Posted - 08/07/2008:  05:40:11


quote:
I've only heard one WS in person, but have listened to sound clips on the internet, and I almost bought a Wechter-Scheerhorn from a fellow on the banjo hangout based on hearing my friend's. I missed out on the deal because I waited too long to commit to buying it. It was Christmas eve when I decided to go for it, but I didn't want to bother the owner on Christmas, so contacted him the day after Christmas Day. He sold it on Christmas Day. But it turned out good for me because I bought a Gann curly maple. I compared it my friend's WS and while the Gann has a bit different sound I found out my Gann is a fine reso. I realized that from the first time played it, but was just surprised when I heard them together. I believe Mr. Gann helps set up the WS models, but don't quote me on that. The WS resos, in my opinion are a lot of reso for the money. Both the WS models and Gold Tone Beard models are winners, good quality for the price. I can't compare them to the higher end resos as I've never played them. I don't know if I dare because I'd probably want to get one and I'm starting to run out of room for my instrument collection.

Any day is a good day to play music, and today is a good day.



dpete,

Good to see you over here and glad to hear that you found what you wanted, I was sad that I had sold the guitar when you called back on it. Hope everything is going well and you're enjoying the Gann.

Ken

IFKAD, So Easy a Caveman can do it.

Dobro Don - Posted - 08/07/2008:  08:54:15


quote:
Originally posted by MitchC

Yikes...what a herd ! I was actually adressing Dobro Don though...the guy feeling a wave of reso-lust.

You don't really need ALL of those now do ya ? SELL, SELL ! LOL





Hey better yet GIVE AWAY GIVE AWAY GIVE AWAY.... heh heh heh

Yeah, like THAT's gonna happen

Don (er the other Don)

---
"Music creates unity among peoples, cultures and nations. Music can touch the soul making it our universal means of communication."

- Gary Stroutsos Makoche Artist

MitchC - Posted - 08/07/2008:  09:01:16


That's some folks life savings sittin' there on that couch ! LOL

SGB - Posted - 08/07/2008:  13:39:26


MitchC
Where did you get the W/S L body? Elderly? I saw one on Ebay, did you get it there? I'm thinking about one and am curious. The finish looks great

Steve

9 out of the 10 voices inside my head are telling me to go home and clean my guns.

MitchC - Posted - 08/07/2008:  13:49:47


Steve,

Check out the one at Elderly... it's a "plain jane" standard production version. Mine has many more upgraded appointments, Tim's cone, setup, gorgeous flame maple (on headstock also), MOP inlay in headstock etc.

I put a link to an eBAY auction in a few posts back. Email the guy. He will take a couple hundred less than listed I'm sure.

I LOVE mine !

El Dobro - Posted - 08/07/2008:  15:22:23


Can't tell the Dons without a score card.

Don
myspace.com/eldobro
myspace.com/pasttimesband
pasttimesbluegrassband.com
youtube.com/user/pasttimesbluegrass

MitchC - Posted - 08/07/2008:  15:29:38


Based on Horn's 'O Plenty.... YOU WIN ! LOL

MitchC - Posted - 08/07/2008:  15:36:16


So sell just ONE of those L's .... TO ME !!!!!!!!

MitchC - Posted - 08/07/2008:  18:26:34


Actually, I'm really enjoying the W/S Elite. It's as close to a real horn as I've heard. It looks, feels, and most important, sounds great.... (I'd still like one of your horns though !)

MitchC - Posted - 08/07/2008:  18:32:58


Hey, you guys with the W/S 6510's and Rob Ickes etc, is the stock cone, spider etc good, or did any of you upgrade parts ? Just curious....

LiamR - Posted - 08/08/2008:  02:23:39


The stock cone is actually not at all bad. Not quite as good as a well set up Quarterman but it is vastly superior to some. The spider isn't great, and upgrading to a Q or 'Horn may mean a new spider.

I've been tempted to upgrade those parts, but think carefully because:

The spider has EBONEX (Tim Scheerhorn's synthetic ebony) capped bridge inserts. These in my opinion are really 70% of what makes the Wechters so good. The tapered back and internal baffle of course help as well.


talkingcommunities.com/communi...xcompany/

MitchC - Posted - 08/08/2008:  06:09:26


Thanks LiamR !

Hey, just a heads up for anyone considering buying W/S import....... Musician's Friend has a 6510-F for $599

Update... it seems everyone is sold out of these now.



Edited by - MitchC on 08/18/2008 18:00:04

BDC1 - Posted - 08/10/2008:  09:01:05


OK so the W/S doesnt have an American cone and Spider? I was under the impression it did.

Does the replacement cone need to be a 10 9/16 or a 10 1/2 like most imports?

Brian

BDC1 - Posted - 08/10/2008:  09:38:02


I should read this thread alittle better, ok I see they have a wechter cone and spider.


MitchC - Posted - 08/11/2008:  19:28:28


I think they sound good whatever is in there ! Play it the way it comes for awhile before deciding it could be better ?

Dave - Posted - 08/13/2008:  21:06:55


I have a W/S 6524R and although it doesn't sound as good as the Rob Ikes model, it still sounds pretty darn good compared to anything else I tried in it's price range.

meldooby - Posted - 08/14/2008:  15:38:40


I have one of those too and it gives my Phil Ledbetter a run
for looks and sound.

Mel

MitchC - Posted - 08/14/2008:  17:34:09


Definately great bang for the buck.... if you can find one ! ... any model... They're vanishing quick from what I can see.

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For sale: Beard R Mahogany squareneck

Dave - Posted - 08/19/2008:  10:51:09


Sweetwater sells them now too.

MitchC - Posted - 08/19/2008:  12:11:24


I have a hunch that they my be the ONLY ones selling them soon... beings that they just bought Wechter ... ya think ?

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For sale: Beard Mike Auldrige (MAS)

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